2016 S1 Skip Barber

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  • #2380
    racecar73
    Moderator

    It is time to open discussion about next season.

    No, we are not running 12 weeks of the Ring. LOL

    I’m not sure if any content is going to be released or not.

    So, let’s talk about it.

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  • #2500
    KreepnSlayer
    Participant

    I thought it was fun!!!!! I think just one or two tweaks are all that are needed. Like setting it up so that qualifying is an hour and 20. Then we will be gridded in order and can reverse the grid from there. Wait. Wait. Can’t the reverse grid feature be used from there?

    My race was eventful as hell. On lap two I was right on Sloan and he had to check up for traffic and I hit him. Ruined my nose but no meatball. I ran laps until I spun again and then I pit. By that time Allen had some of his trouble and had a long pit stop, so I was back in front of him.

    That pace car hauls ass there!! I barely had to slow down before we took the green flag! From there it was tough. I got caught up again in another incident, the one that meatballed Allen again, but somehow my car was ok even though I hit one person and Allen hit me. I was able to keep going run really fast laps, like 52.2 consistently, and was able to be right there for the end. Just as I was figuring out how to pass Randy, Jon, Jeremy and Larry they all went spinning out of the way. I picked my way through and tried to catch Sloan but he was just too fast! Nice win dude!!

    #2501
    Clipless72
    Moderator

    Made a page for our series http://lzracing.com/season-14-2016-s1-skip-barber/

    Should this not say “Chicken Skin Cup” somewhere?

    #2502
    GT0 (Alex)
    Keymaster

    Yes, first part of the session will be pure qualifying which should help with gridding. Of course iRacing’s grid features are far too crude and stupid to be useful here.

    I had a good race. I bumped Mike which I felt pretty bad about. Toward the end when I saw Allen eating up the space between us I made a little mistake and let him by. I was getting that corner wrong all night but the additional pressure probably contributed.

    People may disagree but I thought the start and re-start people were too aggressive. Going 2-3-4 wide into turn 1 of Brands is not going someplace good.

    But all-in-all a great night of racing.

    Ok

    #2503
    Clipless72
    Moderator

    My race was a series of unfortunate events for me, created by me, and executed flawlessly……by me.

    So somewhere are around lap three I gapped out and had only my 2nd tankslapper in about 100 laps that I couldn’t save. This was coming into the last left/right combo so I slide out onto the grass spinning of course. I decided meander my way back to the track and waited for all the cars to go by to slowly enter back onto the pavement. For this I get a track cutting penalty which is 15s stop and got, well I already screwed around in the grass for 15s but I guess the intent is to ensure it is a 30s penalty.

    I enter the pits cleanly to my stall (no tires or gas, all good) wait my fifteen seconds and apparently they dropped shot of nitrous in my tank because I managed to exceed the pit speed limit from stall 3 at about ¾ throttle, so another 15s penalty for this douche. So I pull into the pits to serve the penalty and holy titty hats I forget to turn off gas and tires! So my 15s penalty is probably another 30ish so I get out of the pits only a couple of laps down.

    I almost claimed the purple helmet as the first headset thrower/rage quitter of the season.

    Anyhow Cooper ended up falling back to me for some entertainment and boy did we get it. We were battling for 7 and 8 spot right behind Jeremy and Larry who were battling for 2 and 3. I am pretty sure you could have thrown a blanket over the 4 cars for the last ten minutes. The only issue happened when Larry and Jeremy got tangled up and I had nowhere to go but that’s what happens when you are that close.

    I thought it was really a good time and my pace was pretty good (for me) but I messed up leaving the pit after my penalty and that hurt a lot. The short track idea is awesome because it keeps the group close together.

    I am looking forward to next week for sure and may even run an official or two this week for fun.

    #2504
    KreepnSlayer
    Participant

    Yes, first part of the session will be pure qualifying which should help with gridding. Of course iRacing’s grid features are far too crude and stupid to be useful here.

    I had a good race. I bumped Mike which I felt pretty bad about. Toward the end when I saw Allen eating up the space between us I made a little mistake and let him by. I was getting that corner wrong all night but the additional pressure probably contributed.

    People may disagree but I thought the start and re-start people were too aggressive. Going 2-3-4 wide into turn 1 of Brands is not going someplace good.

    But all-in-all a great night of racing.

    I agree. I think it got a little aggressive, but I also think that is part of what we wanted to encourage with this series. I think there is a lot of three wide into turn one in real racing.

    Again, I’m encouraged by the way people didn’t just roll over. It made the race way more fun for me when I had to work at it to pass Alex. I really, really enjoyed that battle. I only got by when he went wide, and frankly I think that’s how it should be. You may not get the good finish, but if you had a good battle then it makes it all worth it. Ok, it makes MOST of it worth it. LOL

    Just a word of caution for us all: Battling side by side should mean that once a person reaches your doors you have to share the track and ultimately the race line. When they get there, whether they dive bomb you or not, you both have a responsibility to share the road and sort it out with as little contact as possible. I don’t encourage dive bombing by any means, and if you do it too hard and slide way out on the guy because you went in too hot well then shame on you, but even so, if someone dive bombs me it’ll then become my responsibility to stay wide and share half the track. I shouldn’t force the guy to the grass in an Unsbee-like fashion. I also need to remember (and this’ll be the hard part for me) that I can’t apex like I want because a car will be there on the inside.

    If we are all aware, listen to the spotter, or even help the spotter by saying “hey dude, I’m here” we can have some awesome side by side battles. On many tracks a guy getting the inside in one corner may mean he’s hung up on the outside for the next, so lets not be scared to mix it up.

    And as a final thought, wreckage and crashes. We should be prepared for it. This is going to be a learning thing for all of us as previously (at least it was for me) when someone caught me that was faster I would many times just give them the line and let them go. Not always, but a lot of the times. This basically meant that I was hot-lapping a race and avoiding any real racing. I think it made me less able to drive next to someone, which meant I was less likely to make a move on someone myself. This is part of what makes racing exciting, and I think that if we treat each crash and race incident as a learning thing then we can come out of the night feeling like we had a good time. This will be hard for me to keep in mind as I can get pretty mad about crashing, but I’m trying to do better and not earn a purple helmet. In the end (yeah, I said that) we will all come out of this better racers.

    Oh I guess one other thing, I wouldn’t have minded another caution. I know Jon wanted one to get back in the mix and that if I was leading I might feel different, but I liked racing close with people. With the way the races are being held on really short tracks should we turn the automatic cautions on and let things fall where they may? Will that even work on a road course?

    #2505
    KreepnSlayer
    Participant

    Oh also,
    Is Martinsville an acceptable oval? Or maybe Dover, where I think we can keep the speeds up more because of the banking. Martinsville is a lot of accelerate hard, brake hard, turn left, repeat. These cars aren’t the best at accelerating so we might want to try a track where we can carry more speed.

    Maybe I’ll do some testing… Anyone close to Awesome standard time want to test tonight at 9:00 my time?

    #2506
    Allen Reeves
    Participant

    Good post, Bryan. I still remember our race in the Spec Ford at Barber Motorsports Park. That was some exciting racing!

    Regarding an oval. I’m in in favor of it. But I am not willing to buy an oval for one race. Of the free ones that iRacing gives with a membership we have Lanier, South Boston, USA International, Charlotte, Concord, Oxford Plains and Thompson Speedway. Of that bunch, I feel USA International would be the better option.

    We also have larger ovals which would allow for 100% throttle the entire race without lifting. Or mid size ovals with maybe some lifting. Charlotte, Daytona, Motegi, Phoenix 2008, Indianapolis, Monza and Auto Club Speedway.

    #2508
    Clipless72
    Moderator

    I agree with most of what the slayer preaches.

    I think there was some aggression last night but I didn’t think it was too much really. I think we were all capable in that car and track combo to make that awesomely fun and it was for the most part.

    The only thing I struggle with is the “hey dude I’m here” part. That could get used sometimes even before the nose is past the tail pipe which is kinda dirty pool. I am not saying any of us do it but I may be inclined to say “coming up the inside” before I am there to make room…just kidding really the spotter should be able to do its job and can be adjusted if you find yours isn’t working.

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    #2510
    Sloan
    Participant

    Hey

    My Race rundown:

    Started 6th, I dropped to 7th pretty quick, wasn’t too interested in tangling with anyone right off the bat. Had a few guys tap me in the rear, apparently this car can handle a lot more from the rear then it can from the front. After seeing the damage suffered by the cars who tapped me from behind I realized I needed to protect the front end of my car! Mike was pretty darn quick, I ran wide coming out of the last corner, Mike secured a run on me, we then entered turn one 2 wide, could I have relinquished the position? yes, should I have? maybe, do I regret pressing hard to maintain my position? no, would I play it differently if (when) it happens again? probably not, to be honest. I tried hard not to touch his car, we did touch however and Mikes steering got jacked, I am sorry for that Mike!

    There was more than one occasion during the race my spotter called three wide!

    I ended up chasing down Jeremy in 1st, eventually got by Jeremy after several laps. I could then see the pack forming behind Jeremy, Larry got by Jeremy and I could see Larry coming but as he mentioned he could not close the gap due to his front wing damage. Not sure if I had any damage or not. I heard the commotion behind me when the group of cars got tangled up, kept my head down and ran for the finish. I enjoyed the race for sure.

    I do not have much to add that hasn’t already been mentioned regarding the race overall last night. I agree with many of the points raised. I would say though that I am a fan (not because I stumbled into a win lol) of this seasons format and the new Formula Ford. It will promote tight racing. If I could comment on race communication, race car drivers do not have the luxury of communicating their position with their competitors during a race. Not saying we shouldn’t use voice comms. but in some situations it could lead to an advantage.

    It is the responsibility of the driver performing the overtaking maneuver to do it safely.

    We wouldn’t all be here week after week if we weren’t interested in promoting a challenging, rewarding, fun, sporting (read: fair) race event. Race being the key word.

    In the end sportsmanship will carry the day. It will not always be perfect and it will get messy and emotions will run high, I would expect and hope for nothing less.

    Gentleman start your engines FFS.

    #2512
    GT0 (Alex)
    Keymaster

    Just for the record I am not so against people being aggressive but I worry when I hear people unhappy about incidents. I don’t want anyone to get too frustrated with it.

    Ok

    #2513
    KreepnSlayer
    Participant

    I agree with all of the above. We can let the spotter do its thing. I really just don’t want people to be afraid of being beside anyone is all. I think this format can generate a lot of fun, and not just hot lapping with the occasional swerve to let someone by.

    And I wasn’t calling any one person or event out in particular from last night, just speaking in generalities. I was fine with everything that I saw and was a part of. I really enjoyed the tight pack and side by side racing. I’m gonna not care about the points, just about the fun this season.

    #2514
    Allen Reeves
    Participant

    The close pack racing is much more exciting. It also allows those that aren’t familiar to being in that situation to better their race craft. The main thing is when someone gets along side is to hold your line. That line is going to change from the standard racing line. Track awareness is the main key. If you’re comfortable with the car, you aren’t even thinking about the handling. You’re just out there driving the thing. I always keep an eye on my relative to the guy behind me. I like to know where he is and if he is gaining. Another thing to keep in mind is that not all corners are a smart move to perform a pass.
    I did notice at Brands (mainly open practice rooms) people would drive deep into a turn and then turn down sharp to the apex. That is fine. But when you have a car behind you, you are opening the door for them. They have the right to fill that gap as long as they hold that inside line. Keep that in mind and be aware of your surroundings.

    #2515
    racecar73
    Moderator

    The first part of the session will now be qualifying to remedy the situation we had last week.

    I know this is late in the game, but we have to move tomorrow night’s race.

    It appears that very few members can make it due to holiday obligations.

    We will move this weeks race to Sunday evening at the normal time, 9pm.

    Hopefully most of you guys can make it, see you there!

    #2516
    GT0 (Alex)
    Keymaster

    Sunday is fine for me

    Ok

    #2517
    racecar73
    Moderator

    Race is scheduled.

    There is also a practice room in the open hosted launching at 7pm.

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